Daniel: Well we're talking about men and being macho and stuff like that but recently there's the whole thing about being metrosexual, right? What do you think about that?

　　Vella: I have no problem with, you know, metrosexual because I think, you know, everyone has the right to look good and to take care of themselves even for men.

　　Daniel: Uh, uh.

　　Vella: For example, David Beckham, he's one example of metrosexual guys and I think he looks amazing with the underwear he dresses. Yeah, I have no problem.

　　Daniel: Yeah, yeah but like one thing it's about how you dress and, because metrosexual people they don't, I mean they do care of a lot of other things not only clothes, right? They take care of their hair, I don't know, their faces. I don't know, so many things they do that not a lot of people do especially men. You know, they take care of their nails, their hands and for some people that might be a bit weird. What do you think as a woman? Do you like it, you don't? It's too much? What is it?

　　Vella: I'm OK with that, just not too much though.

　　Daniel: OK.

　　Vella: Like for example, I mean guys in rock bands they usually wear makeup, like eyeliner, and I'm actually really into that.

　　Daniel: OK.

　　Vella: And I don't know if you know this guy called Adam Lambert, he was the winner of American Idol last season.

　　Daniel: Oh, yeah.

　　Vella: And he wears a lot of, you know, eyeliner and yeah I think it's pretty cool.

　　Daniel: But I don't know, as a girl for example, because OK usually makeup and stuff like that are more related to girls, right? So what if your boyfriend is a metrosexual and he knows or he has more makeup than you have, how does that make you feel?

　　Vella: Well I wouldn't, you know, choose a metrosexual guy to be my boyfriend but, you know, I think it's OK for guys to wear makeup just not too much.

　　Daniel: Uh, uh.

　　Vella: I mean only eyeliner I think is fine but if he starts wearing blusher or lipstick, you know, there's something wrong with them.

　　Daniel: OK. So how about all the other things they do that they take care a lot of their bodies? How about that?

　　Vella: I think it's totally fine, you know, taking care of yourself. I think it shows that you really care about, you know, how you look.

　　Daniel: I had a discussion with a female friend before and she totally agreed that boys should take care of themselves like a bit more because I mean, yeah, the whole macho thing I think it's appealling but at the same time I don't think, I don't think it's fair that like boys expect girls to take care of themselves and to be pretty, to look pretty, I don't know makeup, the hair, the nails, but boys sometimes, I mean I don't think girls want to go out with a monkey, you know. It's like, you have to take care of themselves, of yourself, it's not fair that girls have to put all the effort and boys, you know, just don't do anything. So I agree with the thing that, I mean it's all right, we have to take care of ourselves and we have to try to look better but I'm not used to the whole makeup and stuff so personally I don't do it and I don't think I will be comfortable doing it. So I don't know.

　　Vella: Absolutely, I agree. What about in Chilean culture? How do they take metrosexual? Is there a big issue or people just don't care?

　　Daniel: It's a big issue. We're not really used to have people, I mean boys wearing makeup and stuff like that. So when you see somebody doing it, it's kind of like a shock. It's not really clear if he's a metrosexual or he's gay like because in Chile that's a big issue still. So, but more and more people are accepting that. I mean, OK, if you wear makeup all right. If you, I don't know, do your nails, OK, but it's not really common. It's more for like people who are, I don't know, singers, actors or stuff like that. Not really common people do it still at least. How about in Indonesia? How is the, how do people take that?

　　Vella: I mean like metrosexual you can define it in, you know, so many ways. If guys wear makeup or guys dressing up, you know, really fancy, well I hardly, you know, see any man in Indonesia wearing makeup but a lot of them, you know, dress really fancy and I think we don't have a problem with that and a lot of, you know, my friends, young teenagers, they really dig that. They're really into, you know, guys who dress up really fancy so it's not an issue.

　　Daniel: It's not an issue. OK. Like it's getting more popular, right?

　　Vella: It is and a lot of my friends are really metrosexual.

　　Daniel: OK, that's good. Thanks.